I'm officially retracting my earlier statement about Trump and South Africa
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antithesis
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Posted 3:37 pm, 05/23/2025
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Don't get distracted, Albert. I also said that the numbers in South Africa do not specify whether the "1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990" were exclusively murdered by black Afrikaners, so it's not a perfect comparison.
But if 40 murders a year is considered a genocide, then 595, 759, or 987 would all count as a genocide, too.
I DON'T understand why we would offer asylum to the Boers, though, while at the same time renouncing the TDS for Venezuelans. But that doesn't mean that asylum shouldn't be offered to the Boers... just that it should also be offered to the Venezuelans.
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Albert Pike
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Posted 3:08 pm, 05/23/2025
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Antithesis, "Sorry, that's 759 by white people, 987 total..."
Your graph also says that Ethnicity of offender is 595 as Hispanic.
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consul
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Posted 2:48 pm, 05/23/2025
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mouse, accusing others of having your own prejudices is worn out. Making accusations you can't verify is a sign of weak mindedness.
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antithesis
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Posted 1:01 pm, 05/23/2025
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Where is your link to the stats on this, how about a link to how many Hispanics kill Hispanics each year or the black on white murder rate or white on Native American kill rate.
Sorry, that's 759 by white people, 987 total...
I chose to cite Hispanic because of today's racist climate against them, and the fact that the wide majority have immigration status in the same time frame as the Boers of South Africa.
The numbers in South Africa do not specify whether the "1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990" were exclusively murdered by black Afrikaners, so either way we're taking some liberties with the numbers. But the point is that if 40 a year is considered a genocide then 987 (or 759) would also be considered a genocide.
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Anonymoose
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Posted 12:48 pm, 05/23/2025
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Consul is racist yet wouldn't live in the hood.
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Jimbojolly
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Posted 11:48 am, 05/23/2025
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Meanwhile Trump suspended aid to South Sudan.
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consul
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Posted 10:42 am, 05/23/2025
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It's likely that there are some groups of blacks that seek revenge on the whites in South Africa. However, there is no anti-white policy that is condoned by the SA government. Nelson Mandela made it clear when apartheid was ended that there should be no recriminations, retribution nor revenge against whites. That there are still some blacks that bear a grudge against whites should not come as a surprise given the treatment that was meted out to them by the Afrikaners/Boers. It is more likely that the white "political refugees" are resentful that they can no longer be the superior race, and feel they would rather live in a country whose leader is a racist.
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Albert Pike
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Posted 9:47 am, 05/23/2025
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antithesis, "Only if you consider that 987 Hispanics being killed by white people every year in the US to be a genocide"
Where is your link to the stats on this, how about a link to how many Hispanics kill Hispanics each year or the black on white murder rate or white on Native American kill rate.
I know the FBI Crime Report considers those of Hispanic decent as white and Hispanic as a ethnicity and not a race.
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Jack Schitt
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Posted 7:40 am, 05/23/2025
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You could say black people killing a lot white people in America is genocide too.
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antithesis
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Posted 1:02 am, 05/23/2025
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In reality, I know that many of the videos that Trump showed during the meeting were misleading. The "dead white farmers" he showed in body bags... that was from Congo, not South Africa.
And the mass graves of "over 1000 white farmers" that he saw? A white couple had been killed, that is true, but the crosses had been placed by people in their memory. They weren't all graves, just crosses that people stuck in the ground.
We also know that "the Afrikaner farmers' union TLU-SA has counted 1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990, which averages to about 40 per year."
So was he factually wrong? Yes, of course. Is there really a genocide, when we're talking about 40 people a year being killed? Only if you consider that 987 Hispanics being killed by white people every year in the US to be a genocide, too...
But that's not the point here.
The videos that are being passed around make it look like Trump and the SA President were in a shouting match, with the SA President yelling about "South Africa takes what South Africa takes." But in reality, they were watching a video of someone else saying that, and their conversation was civil... the videos are just misleading. Or outright lies.
And the reality is that, if someone feels like they may be a victim of unfair persecution in their home country, the Refugee Act of 1980 guarantees them the right to request asylum. And that request should not exclude South Africans simply because of their race, whether that race is white or black or other.
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Jack Schitt
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Posted 10:55 pm, 05/22/2025
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There's families living near Wilkes that fled the genocide of South Africa.
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knslyr
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Posted 9:13 pm, 05/22/2025
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And the catch in 10, 9, 8, 7....
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antithesis
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Posted 8:37 pm, 05/22/2025
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Also, at the 14 minute mark a reporter from NBC interrupts the meeting with South Africa to ask about the Qatari jet gift. I actually agree with Trump on this, too... it has nothing to do with the genocide in South Africa, and it was an inappropriate time for the question.
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antithesis
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Posted 8:36 pm, 05/22/2025
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After further reading and investigation, I have changed my mind on Trump's policy of giving refugee status to white South Africans but not the blacks.
There's been a lot of misleading posts about Trump's meeting with the South African President, but here it is in full...
At about 9 minutes, Trump shows a video of a terrorist in SA screaming for the genocide of Boers... the white farmers that are descendants of the Dutch that invaded South Africa and took the land. Trump then claims that there is no judicial response from the government when Boers are attacked by these activists, but the SA President argues that he is wrong.
I don't know who is right or who is wrong in that argument, but if the Boers feel like they are in physical danger and are asking for asylum then yes, we should give it.
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